Discussion:
Lakewood's snake problem
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Sarah Houston
2008-10-14 20:08:24 UTC
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Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!:
______________

This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit. Lakewood can't ban concealed-carry
with a permit.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
chatnoir
2008-10-15 03:14:30 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban concealed-carry
with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes! As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there! People come
to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage without
destroying without destroying wildlife! Amazing!
Bama Brian
2008-10-15 13:19:24 UTC
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Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban concealed-carry
with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes! As for snakes,
it sounds like there are too many dogs up there! People come to open
areas with wildlife and then they can't manage without destroying
without destroying wildlife! Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay? Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with your coat
and car keys.
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chatnoir
2008-10-15 15:06:04 UTC
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Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban concealed-carry
with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for snakes,
it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People come to open
areas with wildlife and then they can't manage without destroying
without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with your coat
and car keys.  
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Lions and Tigers and Bears! Oh My! Sounds more like you want to just
plug one than defend yourself!
Matt
2008-10-15 17:50:29 UTC
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Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban concealed-carry
with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for snakes,
it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People come to open
areas with wildlife and then they can't manage without destroying
without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with your coat
and car keys.  
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain lion
in that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the hiking
trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green
Mountain is not
a "rural area" in the least.

Matt
Bama Brian
2008-10-16 02:21:22 UTC
Permalink
Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban
concealed-carry with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People come
to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage without
destroying without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with your
coat and car keys.
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain lion in
that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the hiking
trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green Mountain
is not
a "rural area" in the least.
Then why does the essayist include a picture of a sign warning about how
to deal with mountain lions? Is there such a sign on Rattlesnake Hill/
Green Mountain? It's EZ enough to verify it, for someone who lives there.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
chatnoir
2008-10-16 12:16:18 UTC
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Post by Bama Brian
Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban
concealed-carry with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People come
to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage without
destroying without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with your
coat and car keys.
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain lion in
that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the hiking
trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green Mountain
is not
a "rural area" in the least.
Then why does the essayist include a picture of a sign warning about how
to deal with mountain lions?  Is there such a sign on Rattlesnake Hill/
Green Mountain?  It's EZ enough to verify it, for someone who lives there.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Do you even live in Colorado????
Matt
2008-10-16 12:58:55 UTC
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Post by chatnoir
Post by Bama Brian
Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban
concealed-carry with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People come
to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage without
destroying without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with your
coat and car keys.
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain lion in
that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the hiking
trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green Mountain
is not
a "rural area" in the least.
Then why does the essayist include a picture of a sign warning about how
to deal with mountain lions?  Is there such a sign on Rattlesnake Hill/
Green Mountain?  It's EZ enough to verify it, for someone who lives there.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Do you even live in Colorado????
I would guess not, or he would know that Colorado uses the same signs
everywhere
that the Wildlife folk work on. There is no "Rattlesnake Hill" and
hasn't been for
at least 25 years. I got lost there, many years ago, and certainly
didn't run into
any wildlife, just a bunch of drunk jeep drivers.

For your information, "Bama", the majority of mountain lions are north
of here, in
the Boulder area. I think I read about one down in the springs (that
would be Colorado
Springs, if you don't live here), but that was last year. We have lots
of foxes, a bunch
of squirrels, and various deer, but not a lot of big game.

Matt
Bama Brian
2008-10-16 14:27:27 UTC
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Post by Matt
Post by chatnoir
Post by Bama Brian
Post by Matt
Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid
points. He should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't
ban concealed-carry with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People
come to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage
without destroying without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with
your coat and car keys.
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain
lion in that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the
hiking trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green
Mountain is not
a "rural area" in the least.
Then why does the essayist include a picture of a sign warning about
how to deal with mountain lions?  Is there such a sign on Rattlesnake
Hill/ Green Mountain?  It's EZ enough to verify it, for someone who
lives there.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Do you even live in Colorado????
I would guess not, or he would know that Colorado uses the same signs
everywhere
that the Wildlife folk work on. There is no "Rattlesnake Hill" and
hasn't been for
at least 25 years. I got lost there, many years ago, and certainly
didn't run into
any wildlife, just a bunch of drunk jeep drivers.
For your information, "Bama", the majority of mountain lions are north
of here, in
the Boulder area. I think I read about one down in the springs (that
would be Colorado
Springs, if you don't live here), but that was last year. We have lots
of foxes, a bunch
of squirrels, and various deer, but not a lot of big game.
Using Google Earth I see two Green Mountains in Lakewood, just SW of
Denver.

Green Mountain Park in the town itself has a soccer field - I think - and
is bordered on the north by some homes. To the east is a barren space
between tract homes. Due west of GM Park, out of the urban area, is
Green Mountain itself. From all appearances it is as barren as the
writer says.

I think the author of that article is likely correct. Read this:
http://www.ci.lakewood.co.us/index.cfm?&include=/PD/animalcontrol/
lions.cfm
or:
http://tinyurl.com/4mjozu

And BTW, the sign in the photo in that article has a Colorado seal on it.

QED
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Matt
2008-10-16 18:35:20 UTC
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Post by Bama Brian
Post by Matt
Post by chatnoir
Post by Bama Brian
Post by Matt
Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid
points. He should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't
ban concealed-carry with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People
come to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage
without destroying without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with
your coat and car keys.
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain
lion in that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the
hiking trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green
Mountain is not
a "rural area" in the least.
Then why does the essayist include a picture of a sign warning about
how to deal with mountain lions?  Is there such a sign on Rattlesnake
Hill/ Green Mountain?  It's EZ enough to verify it, for someone who
lives there.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Do you even live in Colorado????
I would guess not, or he would know that Colorado uses the same signs
everywhere
that the Wildlife folk work on. There is no "Rattlesnake Hill" and
hasn't been for
at least 25 years. I got lost there, many years ago, and certainly
didn't run into
any wildlife, just a bunch of drunk jeep drivers.
For your information, "Bama", the majority of mountain lions are north
of here, in
the Boulder area. I think I read about one down in the springs (that
would be Colorado
Springs, if you don't live here), but that was last year. We have lots
of foxes, a bunch
of squirrels, and various deer, but not a lot of big game.
Using Google Earth I see two Green Mountains in Lakewood, just SW of
Denver.  
Green Mountain Park in the town itself has a soccer field - I think - and
is bordered on the north by some homes.  To the east is a barren space
between tract homes.  Due west of GM Park, out of the urban area, is
Green Mountain itself.  From all appearances it is as barren as the
writer says.
Hm. Green Mountain Park is at the edge of Alameda Parkway, just west
of the
actual "city" of Lakewood (if you'd ever been here, you'd understand
the quotation
marks). It is somewhat nearer to the mountains than any of the rest of
the area,
but is really right in the center of a populated area. I drive by it
all the time.
Post by Bama Brian
I think the author of that article is likely correct.  Read this:http://www.ci.lakewood.co.us/index.cfm?&include=/PD/animalcontrol/
lions.cfm
or:http://tinyurl.com/4mjozu
Yes, our idiot gov't. They love to scare people. As I said, no
mountain lion sitings
there since I've lived here, and I've lived in Lakewood for a long
time. Before that
I lived in Golden, which is even closer to the mountains and doesn't
have lions either.

Of course, before that, I grew up in NYC, where there are VERY few
mountain lions :)
Post by Bama Brian
And BTW, the sign in the photo in that article has a Colorado seal on it.
Well, yeah, its a Colorado Dept of Wildlife sign. They put them up on
open space. Why,
I'm not sure, since it is Jefferson County Open Space, rather than
Colorado.

Matt
chatnoir
2008-10-16 18:57:37 UTC
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Post by Matt
Post by Bama Brian
Post by Matt
Post by chatnoir
Post by Bama Brian
Post by Matt
Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid
points. He should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't
ban concealed-carry with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People
come to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage
without destroying without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with
your coat and car keys.
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain
lion in that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the
hiking trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green
Mountain is not
a "rural area" in the least.
Then why does the essayist include a picture of a sign warning about
how to deal with mountain lions?  Is there such a sign on Rattlesnake
Hill/ Green Mountain?  It's EZ enough to verify it, for someone who
lives there.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Do you even live in Colorado????
I would guess not, or he would know that Colorado uses the same signs
everywhere
that the Wildlife folk work on. There is no "Rattlesnake Hill" and
hasn't been for
at least 25 years. I got lost there, many years ago, and certainly
didn't run into
any wildlife, just a bunch of drunk jeep drivers.
For your information, "Bama", the majority of mountain lions are north
of here, in
the Boulder area. I think I read about one down in the springs (that
would be Colorado
Springs, if you don't live here), but that was last year. We have lots
of foxes, a bunch
of squirrels, and various deer, but not a lot of big game.
Using Google Earth I see two Green Mountains in Lakewood, just SW of
Denver.  
Green Mountain Park in the town itself has a soccer field - I think - and
is bordered on the north by some homes.  To the east is a barren space
between tract homes.  Due west of GM Park, out of the urban area, is
Green Mountain itself.  From all appearances it is as barren as the
writer says.
Hm. Green Mountain Park is at the edge of Alameda Parkway, just west
of the
actual "city" of Lakewood (if you'd ever been here, you'd understand
the quotation
marks). It is somewhat nearer to the mountains than any of the rest of
the area,
but is really right in the center of a populated area. I drive by it
all the time.
Post by Bama Brian
I think the author of that article is likely correct.  Read this:http://www.ci.lakewood.co.us/index.cfm?&include=/PD/animalcontrol/
lions.cfm
or:http://tinyurl.com/4mjozu
Yes, our idiot gov't. They love to scare people. As I said, no
mountain lion sitings
there since I've lived here, and I've lived in Lakewood for a long
time. Before that
I lived in Golden, which is even closer to the mountains and doesn't
have lions either.
I have been going to Genesee Park park since the 1950's:

http://tinyurl.com/4cyka6

They use to run cattle to the West of the Park in the 50's and 60's!
It is west of Green Mountain Park and quite a ways into the Foot Hills
Area! Lots of trees and some Buffalo are run there! I don't recall
any problems with Mountain Lions! Mainly human predator dumping in
the 60's and 70's! Now there is a build up of houses to the west!
Mountain Lions are not a problem here! Coyotes and get fluffy if you
let them wander!
Post by Matt
Of course, before that, I grew up in NYC, where there are VERY few
mountain lions :)
Post by Bama Brian
And BTW, the sign in the photo in that article has a Colorado seal on it.
Well, yeah, its a Colorado Dept of Wildlife sign. They put them up on
open space. Why,
I'm not sure, since it is Jefferson County Open Space, rather than
Colorado.
Matt
chatnoir
2008-10-16 20:35:14 UTC
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Post by chatnoir
Post by Matt
Post by Bama Brian
Post by Matt
Post by chatnoir
Post by Bama Brian
Post by Matt
Snakes, both on the mountain and in government!: ______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid
points. He should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't
ban concealed-carry with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
Sounds like there is a problem with dogs off of leashes!  As for
snakes, it sounds like there are too many dogs up there!  People
come to open areas with wildlife and then they can't manage
without destroying without destroying wildlife!  Amazing!
Did you read the cited essay?  Apparently not, since you haven't
suggested fighting off a mountain lion on Rattlesnake Hill with
your coat and car keys.
The "essay" exaggerates just a tad. There hasn't been a mountain
lion in that
area as long as I've lived around here (25 years now). There aren't
exactly a
ton of "poisonous snakes" either, certainly not down where the
hiking trails
are. I wonder where the folk were when they ran into one. Green
Mountain is not
a "rural area" in the least.
Then why does the essayist include a picture of a sign warning about
how to deal with mountain lions?  Is there such a sign on Rattlesnake
Hill/ Green Mountain?  It's EZ enough to verify it, for someone who
lives there.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Do you even live in Colorado????
I would guess not, or he would know that Colorado uses the same signs
everywhere
that the Wildlife folk work on. There is no "Rattlesnake Hill" and
hasn't been for
at least 25 years. I got lost there, many years ago, and certainly
didn't run into
any wildlife, just a bunch of drunk jeep drivers.
For your information, "Bama", the majority of mountain lions are north
of here, in
the Boulder area. I think I read about one down in the springs (that
would be Colorado
Springs, if you don't live here), but that was last year. We have lots
of foxes, a bunch
of squirrels, and various deer, but not a lot of big game.
Using Google Earth I see two Green Mountains in Lakewood, just SW of
Denver.  
Green Mountain Park in the town itself has a soccer field - I think - and
is bordered on the north by some homes.  To the east is a barren space
between tract homes.  Due west of GM Park, out of the urban area, is
Green Mountain itself.  From all appearances it is as barren as the
writer says.
Hm. Green Mountain Park is at the edge of Alameda Parkway, just west
of the
actual "city" of Lakewood (if you'd ever been here, you'd understand
the quotation
marks). It is somewhat nearer to the mountains than any of the rest of
the area,
but is really right in the center of a populated area. I drive by it
all the time.
Post by Bama Brian
I think the author of that article is likely correct.  Read this:http://www.ci.lakewood.co.us/index.cfm?&include=/PD/animalcontrol/
lions.cfm
or:http://tinyurl.com/4mjozu
Yes, our idiot gov't. They love to scare people. As I said, no
mountain lion sitings
there since I've lived here, and I've lived in Lakewood for a long
time. Before that
I lived in Golden, which is even closer to the mountains and doesn't
have lions either.
http://tinyurl.com/4cyka6
They use to run cattle to the West of the Park in the 50's and 60's!
It is west of Green Mountain Park and quite a ways into the Foot Hills
Area!  Lots of trees and some Buffalo are run there!  I don't recall
any problems with Mountain Lions!  Mainly human predator dumping in
the 60's and 70's!  Now there is a build up of houses to the west!
Mountain Lions are not a problem here!  Coyotes and get fluffy if you
let them wander!
And I have seen rattlers in part of the Park! Never heard of anyone
being being struck by on e!
Post by chatnoir
Post by Matt
Of course, before that, I grew up in NYC, where there are VERY few
mountain lions :)
Post by Bama Brian
And BTW, the sign in the photo in that article has a Colorado seal on it.
Well, yeah, its a Colorado Dept of Wildlife sign. They put them up on
open space. Why,
I'm not sure, since it is Jefferson County Open Space, rather than
Colorado.
Matt
Matt
2008-10-15 14:31:44 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
______________
This guy has a problem with snakes, but makes very valid points. He
should, however, get a CCW permit.  Lakewood can't ban concealed-carry
with a permit.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli19.html
I assume you mean Hayden Park, or Green Mountain Open Space, over off
Alameda. Far as I know, since that is Open Space land, it is Jeffco's
property,
not Lakewood's. So you might take it up with the county.

Matt
d***@gmail.com
2014-07-23 19:27:15 UTC
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This was 10 years ago....

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/green-mountain-hikers-warned-about-mountain-lions
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