Discussion:
Please Support Amendment 36
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Mr Big Society
2004-10-06 23:14:11 UTC
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This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.

It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.

Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Serious Sam
2004-10-07 04:32:31 UTC
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Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Good warning...
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-07 05:09:58 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Good warning...
Fear is all the Right has to sell. Fear, corruption and illicit influence.
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Hell no, Bush must go!

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Serious Sam
2004-10-07 20:40:49 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Good warning...
Fear is all the Right has to sell.
Lying loser!

The ammendment would strip less powerful states of their standing, a key
component in the electoral college.

http://www.members.aol.com/lwvco/AMEND36.html

Those opposed say:
* Should Coloradoans approve this ill-advised initiative, we are
virtually guaranteeing that all Presidential candidates will avoid our
state because the potential return on their investment is too low.
Except for extreme cases, such as 1992 when Colorado voters gave Ross
Perot over 23 percent of the vote, the winning candidate would only
receive one more electoral vote in Colorado than the loser. Colorado,
with nine electoral votes, currently has as much Electoral College clout
as Wyoming, South Dakota and Montana combined. If this measure passes,
Colorado will have one-third the influence of Washington, D.C.

* Voters should know that this initiative did not spring from grassroots
Coloradoans. It was sponsored by a group of wealthy Californians who
hired an Arizona company that paid people to circulate petitions in
Colorado.


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_3190920,00.html

Vote against Amendment 36
State's influence at risk

September 18, 2004

We first spotted the electoral college initiative in May and nothing
since has changed our mind that it's a piece of political mischief. We
panned it then and urge a vote against it Nov. 2.

Amendment 36 would require the state to allocate its nine electoral
votes in proportion to the statewide popular vote instead of giving all
of them to the winner. If it passes, Colorado would be the first state
in the nation to have such a system. Forty-eight states are now
winner-take-all, and two - Maine and Nebraska - allocate electoral votes
to the winners of each congressional district, with the two extra ones
going to the statewide winner. In practice, neither state has ever
divided its votes.


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The initiative is a transparent ploy by Democracts to try to salvage a
few more electoral votes for Sen. John Kerry in this year's election.
After all, if it had been in effect in 2000, the difference in
Colorado's allocation would have made Al Gore president.

Oddly enough, the initiative is being financed primarily by a
Californian. If he were truly interested in using Colorado as a
laboratory for a new political philosophy he wouldn't have had the
amendment "apply retroactively" to the current election. He would have
had it apply to future actions only, like other laws and constitutional
amendments.

Although we have yet to meet a Republican who favors the plan, we have
run into Democrats who oppose it. One of them is former Denver City
Councilwoman Susan Barnes-Gelt, who has even taken on one of the
initiative's prime backers, Sen. Ron Tupa of Boulder, in a televised
debate.

"It's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard of," she said. "I'm
definitely against it."

Democrats are well aware that if Kerry suddenly took the lead in
Colorado, the initiative would end up hurting him instead of Bush.
That's why promotion of the initiative will likely come to a halt if the
polls change.

The best objection to the proposal is that it would minimize Colorado's
influence in presidential elections. Nine votes are worth pursuing. But
why would a candidate spend much effort here if the best he or she could
hope for is to turn a 4-5 margin into 5-4 margin?

There's also the danger that a change in Colorado could spur similar
moves elsewhere. Some say proportional electoral college voting might be
a worthwhile change if the entire nation adopted the system at once
through an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. But there's a huge
downside. As historians have noted, if voting had been proportional
nationwide in several recent elections, third-party candidates would
have effectively thrown them into the U.S. House by keeping either of
the major candidates from getting the necessary majority in the
electoral college.

If you favor making every person's vote count more, that's the worst
thing you could do. After all, when the House votes for president, each
state - large or small - gets only one vote! Think about the backroom
deals and the fights in the congressional delegations that are evenly
divided between the major parties.

You don't want an election settled in the House. It would make the
Supreme Court look like a paragon of populism. Nip proportional voting
in the bud. Vote "no" on Amendment 36.
W Dale
2004-10-08 01:14:01 UTC
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ROTFLOL. Well said, Serious Sam!
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Good warning...
Serious Sam
2004-10-08 04:40:33 UTC
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Post by W Dale
ROTFLOL. Well said, Serious Sam!
Ya think?

We all know what the 'Rats angle is.

Pardon me for being obvious..
Post by W Dale
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Good warning...
Mark Cook
2004-10-07 16:25:28 UTC
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Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
The Democrats have overlooked one important point.

Since Amendment 36 will NOT be law BEFORE this election, to try to enforce
it for the 2004 election would be a violation of the Electoral Count Act of
1887.

IF Colorado splits their slate of electors, and this takes the election away
from Bush and gives to Kerry, Congress would have the authority to throw
Colorado's electors out of the Electoral College, and send the race into the
US House of Representatives.

Bush vs. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, 12/4/2000, 9-0 decision.

"Since §5 contains a principle of federal law that would assure finality of
the State's determination if made pursuant to a state law in effect before
the election, a legislative wish to take advantage of the "safe harbor"
would counsel against any construction of the Election Code that Congress
might deem to be a change in the law."

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/electionsup.htm

"If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed
for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any
controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the
electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such
determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed
for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such
law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time
of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the
counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as
hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed
by such State is concerned.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/3/5.html

"Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the
Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in
writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the
ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member
of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all
objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been
received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections
shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the
House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to
the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or
votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose
appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this
title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the
two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that
such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose
appointment has been so certified."

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/3/15.html
Dennis Clark
2004-10-07 19:06:05 UTC
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In co.fort-collins.general Mr Big Society <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
: This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
: Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
: a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.

: It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
: Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
: decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
: of ballot in California.

: Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !

I don't care who else supports it. I dislike the electoral college and
this effectively removes the "winner take all" scenario and returns the
vote to the people. It has the secondary benefit of removing Colorado
as a "battleground" state so we don't have to listen to/see any more
insulting political commercials!

I'm voting for it, and I'm not a Democrat!

DLC
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Mark Cook
2004-10-07 19:55:33 UTC
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Post by Dennis Clark
: This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
: Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
: a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
: It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
: Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
: decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
: of ballot in California.
: Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
I don't care who else supports it. I dislike the electoral college and
this effectively removes the "winner take all" scenario and returns the
vote to the people.
How can you return something to the people that they never had?? In other
words, we have NEVER been a democracy, we are a representative republic.

You have noticed that no other state has jumped on your bandwagon??
Post by Dennis Clark
It has the secondary benefit of removing Colorado
as a "battleground" state so we don't have to listen to/see any more
insulting political commercials!
Along with the promises by the candidates to help Colorado. With a net of 1
electoral vote, what difference are you going to make in a 270 vote race?
Post by Dennis Clark
I'm voting for it, and I'm not a Democrat!
DLC
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Serious Sam
2004-10-07 20:41:12 UTC
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Post by Dennis Clark
: This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
: Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
: a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
: It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
: Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
: decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
: of ballot in California.
: Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
I don't care who else supports it.
Well aren't you the head in sand littel prick!
Post by Dennis Clark
I dislike the electoral college and
this effectively removes the "winner take all" scenario and returns the
vote to the people.
You're a mean spirited enemy of our Constitution, drop dead.
Post by Dennis Clark
It has the secondary benefit of removing Colorado
as a "battleground" state so we don't have to listen to/see any more
insulting political commercials!
In your derams little man.
Post by Dennis Clark
I'm voting for it, and I'm not a Democrat!
So what are you, a greenie?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_3190920,00.html

Vote against Amendment 36
State's influence at risk

September 18, 2004

We first spotted the electoral college initiative in May and nothing
since has changed our mind that it's a piece of political mischief. We
panned it then and urge a vote against it Nov. 2.

Amendment 36 would require the state to allocate its nine electoral
votes in proportion to the statewide popular vote instead of giving all
of them to the winner. If it passes, Colorado would be the first state
in the nation to have such a system. Forty-eight states are now
winner-take-all, and two - Maine and Nebraska - allocate electoral votes
to the winners of each congressional district, with the two extra ones
going to the statewide winner. In practice, neither state has ever
divided its votes.

The initiative is a transparent ploy by Democracts to try to salvage a
few more electoral votes for Sen. John Kerry in this year's election.
After all, if it had been in effect in 2000, the difference in
Colorado's allocation would have made Al Gore president.

Oddly enough, the initiative is being financed primarily by a
Californian. If he were truly interested in using Colorado as a
laboratory for a new political philosophy he wouldn't have had the
amendment "apply retroactively" to the current election. He would have
had it apply to future actions only, like other laws and constitutional
amendments.

Although we have yet to meet a Republican who favors the plan, we have
run into Democrats who oppose it. One of them is former Denver City
Councilwoman Susan Barnes-Gelt, who has even taken on one of the
initiative's prime backers, Sen. Ron Tupa of Boulder, in a televised
debate.

"It's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard of," she said. "I'm
definitely against it."

Democrats are well aware that if Kerry suddenly took the lead in
Colorado, the initiative would end up hurting him instead of Bush.
That's why promotion of the initiative will likely come to a halt if the
polls change.

The best objection to the proposal is that it would minimize Colorado's
influence in presidential elections. Nine votes are worth pursuing. But
why would a candidate spend much effort here if the best he or she could
hope for is to turn a 4-5 margin into 5-4 margin?

There's also the danger that a change in Colorado could spur similar
moves elsewhere. Some say proportional electoral college voting might be
a worthwhile change if the entire nation adopted the system at once
through an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. But there's a huge
downside. As historians have noted, if voting had been proportional
nationwide in several recent elections, third-party candidates would
have effectively thrown them into the U.S. House by keeping either of
the major candidates from getting the necessary majority in the
electoral college.

If you favor making every person's vote count more, that's the worst
thing you could do. After all, when the House votes for president, each
state - large or small - gets only one vote! Think about the backroom
deals and the fights in the congressional delegations that are evenly
divided between the major parties.

You don't want an election settled in the House. It would make the
Supreme Court look like a paragon of populism. Nip proportional voting
in the bud. Vote "no" on Amendment 36.
Edwin Smith
2004-10-07 20:21:08 UTC
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Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Despite the polls (which I think show a slight edge for this
amendment) logic seems to suggest that this has to fail. Here's my
thought:

If the polls in the presidential election seem to favor your
candidate, you're going to vote against it so that your candidate gets
all the electoral votes. If the polls favor the one you oppose, you'll
vote in favor of it so that your candidate will get at least some of
the votes. If everyone does this, and the polls are accurate, more
people will vote against than for. I suppose in a close election in
which the polls are too close to call, it could be a little unstable
and who knows what happens then, but in general, the odds seem pretty
long for this amendment.

Ed Smith
Fat Burns
2004-10-08 05:02:38 UTC
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Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
FUCK KERRY AND FUCK YOU! YOU COMMIES JUST WANT TO THROW THE ELECTION TO YOUR
COMRADE!
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Serious Sam
2004-10-08 05:06:07 UTC
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Post by Fat Burns
Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
FUCK KERRY AND FUCK YOU! YOU COMMIES JUST WANT TO THROW THE ELECTION TO YOUR
COMRADE!
Mmmm...Yup!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-08 14:07:55 UTC
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Post by Fat Burns
Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
FUCK KERRY AND FUCK YOU! YOU COMMIES JUST WANT TO THROW THE ELECTION TO YOUR
COMRADE!
Neocons are the new Commies. Fight them, you dickless swine.
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Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Serious Sam
2004-10-08 15:56:43 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Fat Burns
Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
FUCK KERRY AND FUCK YOU! YOU COMMIES JUST WANT TO THROW THE ELECTION
TO YOUR COMRADE!
Neocons are the new Commies.
Her's your commies komrade:

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2004-10-09 19:04:18 UTC
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Post by Mr Big Society
This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.
I'll be voting against amendment 36 because amendment 36 is a step
toward discarding the electoral college and toward the popular
election of the President and vice president.

The electoral college was put in place to help offset the
power of those states with large populations. Colorado has
a relatively low population and therefore it is in Colorado
best interest to fully retain the winner take all electoral
voting system.
Post by Mr Big Society
It is being supported by a California multi-millionaire Jorge Klor de
Alva. People in California know better than people of Colorado to
decide the affairs of Colorado. However, we will not support this type
of ballot in California.
Who supports amendment 36 and where they live is irrelevant to the
merits of 36.
Post by Mr Big Society
Remember, the Democrat Party supports this as well. Vote YES on 36 !
Democratic Party support is irrelevant to the merits of 36.

Chuck Wright
http://www.lp.org/
Dennis Clark
2004-10-10 23:14:37 UTC
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In co.fort-collins.general ***@yahoo.com wrote:
: ***@hotmail.com (Mr Big Society) wrote in message news:<***@posting.google.com>...
: > This is for People of Colorado. You are admonished to support
: > Amendment 36. This will rightfully split the electoral votes based on
: > a ratio between winner and loser. This will favor John F. Kerry.

: I'll be voting against amendment 36 because amendment 36 is a step
: toward discarding the electoral college and toward the popular
: election of the President and vice president.

: The electoral college was put in place to help offset the
: power of those states with large populations. Colorado has
: a relatively low population and therefore it is in Colorado
: best interest to fully retain the winner take all electoral
: voting system.

Perhaps, but... I'd read that the electoral college was an attempt
to get rid of the riff-raff that voted the popularity contest (remember
in the late 18th century many were illiterate). Of course, you can't
trust everything that you read, kind of like the noise posted to this
thread who seems to believe that partisan rhetoric and inflamatory
name-calling are reasonable debate tactics. This does not do a thing
for correcting population imbalances because Colorado STILL has fewer
electoral votes than California you know. We usually get ignored
anyway.

Other countries get along just fine with individual voters
contributing to the election and no electoral college. It is about
time we recognize the EC as an outdated concept. I _think_ more of
the electorate is literate these days.

I feel that the EC needs to go, and 36 could show other states how
to get rid of it. Fear, uncertanty and doubt are the tools of those
that wish to maintain the status quo. Maybe if we get rid of the EC
we'd also get rid of the two-party system and start getting some
real choices and not just the ability to pick the lesser of two
evils.

IMO,
DLC

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Gun Woman
2004-10-11 01:41:54 UTC
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Post by Dennis Clark
Other countries get along just fine with individual voters
contributing to the election and no electoral college. It is about
time we recognize the EC as an outdated concept. I _think_ more of
the electorate is literate these days.
Huh? It has nothing to do with literacy. If there were no electoral
college, your vote in Colorado wouldn't mean shit, as Colorado has a very
small population compared to CA and places like NY. The big city liberals
would be electing the Presidents, that's why they want it changed so badly.
They know Al Gore would have won in 2000 by popular vote alone.
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Dennis Clark
2004-10-11 01:52:47 UTC
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In co.fort-collins.general Gun Woman <***@nospam.com> wrote:
: Dennis Clark <***@io.frii.com> wrote :

: > Other countries get along just fine with individual voters
: > contributing to the election and no electoral college. It is about
: > time we recognize the EC as an outdated concept. I _think_ more of
: > the electorate is literate these days.

: Huh? It has nothing to do with literacy. If there were no electoral
: college, your vote in Colorado wouldn't mean shit, as Colorado has a very
: small population compared to CA and places like NY. The big city liberals
: would be electing the Presidents, that's why they want it changed so badly.
: They know Al Gore would have won in 2000 by popular vote alone.

And just what is bad about having an individual's vote count? What is
bad about having the people's will being known? What is good for NY isn't
necessarily bad for those in Iowa. I think it would REMOVE favoritism
given to states with high electoral college counts! Why are states given
special status? Because they are winner take all for EC votes. Remove
that and you'd have to start talking to everyone, not just certain states.
Already candidates give attention to those states with big EC counts and
ignore those with small ones. Just what value is the EC to Mississippi
and Arkansas? It sounds to me like I can take your FUD argument and
turn it right back around to suit my argument.

I think the winner-take-all EC is the problem, not having big and little
states. If every vote counted then there would be NO battle ground state
and we'd all count.

IMO,
DLC
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Fat Burns
2004-10-11 03:45:51 UTC
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Post by Dennis Clark
: > Other countries get along just fine with individual voters
: > contributing to the election and no electoral college. It is about
: > time we recognize the EC as an outdated concept. I _think_ more of
: > the electorate is literate these days.
: Huh? It has nothing to do with literacy. If there were no electoral
: college, your vote in Colorado wouldn't mean shit, as Colorado has a
: very small population compared to CA and places like NY. The big city
: liberals would be electing the Presidents, that's why they want it
: changed so badly. They know Al Gore would have won in 2000 by popular
: vote alone.
And just what is bad about having an individual's vote count? What is
bad about having the people's will being known? What is good for NY
isn't necessarily bad for those in Iowa.
Bullshit.
Post by Dennis Clark
I think it would REMOVE
favoritism given to states with high electoral college counts!
And replace it with the most populated states ruling the least populated.
Post by Dennis Clark
Why are
states given special status?
Good question, let's disband the U.S.!
Post by Dennis Clark
Because they are winner take all for EC
votes. Remove that and you'd have to start talking to everyone, not
just certain states.
Nope, all it would do is shift the pandering to the big cities, where the
socialists rule. And our rights would be the rest of the way down the
toilet!
Post by Dennis Clark
Already candidates give attention to those states
with big EC counts and ignore those with small ones. Just what value is
the EC to Mississippi and Arkansas? It sounds to me like I can take
your FUD argument and turn it right back around to suit my argument.
I think the winner-take-all EC is the problem, not having big and little
states. If every vote counted then there would be NO battle ground
state and we'd all count.
Not really.

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Fat Burns
Serious Sam
2004-10-11 04:51:48 UTC
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Post by Dennis Clark
I'd read that the electoral college was an attempt
to get rid of the riff-raff that voted the popularity contest
Well you're a blithering nincompoop who doesn't know the difference
between a democracy and a Republic.

Get back to us when you do.

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