Post by PRSmithOn Thu, 05 May 2005 00:26:10 GMT, "PRSmith"
Post by PRSmithOn Wed, 04 May 2005 03:11:22 GMT, "PRSmith"
Post by PRSmithPost by CirqueAnd really it's their choice to form said.
So what's the difference between that and a business?
Clubs have memberships.
Brilliant observation. Clubs also have employees.
Not necessarily.
Nope, not necessarily. Any decent club (i.e. any club worth belonging to)
As Groucho Marx once said, "I would never join a club that would have
me as a member".
At any rate, whether YOU think a club is worth joining or not isn't
relevant.
FWIW, I seriously doubt you would receive an offer of membership.
Post by PRSmithwill, however. If they don't - no foul. What's the big deal?
Post by PRSmithPost by PRSmithPost by CirquePost by PRSmithEven private clubs must hire wait/bar staff and they
should not have to work in a dangerous environment like
that.
My suspiscion would be that they should be aware of the
risks going in.
And I'm sure they are but no one should have to choose
between a job and their health.
Why couldn't members of the club volunteer their time to
perform the necessary duties?
They could and that would put them beyond the reach of the
laws. How much of YOUR time are you willing to volunteer in
a smoky bar or restaurant?
Gee - one where I hung out and played pool and drank?
How much work is there to do?
Depends on the popularity of the bar and the greediness of the management.
It would be managed by the club, dumbass.
Post by PRSmithIf your 'club' is in your family room and consists of half a dozen friends,
then probably not much.
There ya' go - and as we got more members, we might even buy a
building. But, with more members, the responsiiblities and expenses
would be shared among a larger set of people.
Post by PRSmithRestock the bar, vacuum or mop the floor, clean the bathroom,
and perform general maintenance on the building.
Cook the food.
You said "restaurant". I said club, and serving food is not a
requirement for a club, although I'm sure someone might want to bring
food or even organize a cookout.
People do that kind of thing all the time.
In fact, I know of one "club" that centers on live music and people
open up their homes and invite musicians. There might be 20-30 people
who are all invited and pay a small fee to help pay for refreshments.
Nobody is paid a salary, and whether or not smoking is allowed inside
is up to whoever is opening up their home.
Post by PRSmithServe the drinks and the food. Tend the bar.
I covered that.
Post by PRSmithSeat the
patrons.
Club members can find their own seats just fine.
Post by PRSmithCollect the cash.
Yes, clubs generally do collect dues or other fees.
Post by PRSmithYou know, the typical duties performed in any
business
CLUB, Paul.
Post by PRSmiththat serves alcohol & food.
What's your fixation with food?
I know of another club, which actually spans the globe and a few
people will organize refreshments and drinks and everyone who shows up
will pay to help cover expenses. They meet anywhere they want to, and
some people spend a lot of time and effort doing things which you seem
to think they would have to hire people to do for them.
The club doesn't center around smoking, but smoking is not frowned
upon.
Post by PRSmithIf your 'club' doesn't do all that and
there are no employees, again no foul.
Why would you assume a club would have to do those things?
Post by PRSmithConsidering that such chores would be split among all members,
and discounts on dues could be used as incentive for people to
volunteer, I don't see this taking much effort at all.
People don't join clubs to volunteer their time tending bar.
Of course not, but people who do join clubs devote their time to the
club. Nor would you NEED to have someone sitting around on their ass
just waiting for a drink order.
Why don't you read a post in its entirety before you reply?
Post by PRSmithIt might work
for a week or a month or even a year but the membership will get mighty
tired of working (a second or third or fourth job) when they're supposed to
be relaxing at their club enjoying a cold one or two.
You've never had many friends, have you?
Post by PRSmithHow much of YOUR time do you spend taking care of the place
you live?
Not much. I hire people to do that kind of work (and before you ask, I pay
by check and report taxes).
Post by PRSmithGood luck maintaining adequate staffing.
That won't be a problem at all. It's a club, we don't need
someone standing behind the bar the whole time just waiting
for drink orders.
Right. Not much of a club but if it works for you, go for it.
Your problem is you seem to equate "club" with "nightclub".
The problem with that is a nightclub caters to lots of people, most of
whom are probably strangers.
Post by PRSmithHave you ever been to a party?
You bet. I've tended bar at a few also.
Has EVERY party you've ever been to had a bartender?
Post by PRSmithIf so, did you notice the host(s) enjoying the party too?
Yep. Done it myself many times. Works best when the servers wear French
maid outfits and you know the bartenders well.
Whatever floats your boat. You wouldn't discriminate against hiring
men to work as servers, would you? Odd that you'd want them in
French maid outfits, but then again, it's your party, it's your
choice.
Post by PRSmithDid you ever go to one where guests actually pitched in and
helped with cleaning up afterwards?
Yep, been to those as well. I don't do it every day after work, however.
That's what the hired help is for.
And if you were in a club, you might not go there every day either.
Post by PRSmithPost by PRSmithPost by PRSmithTherein lies the basic argument for eliminating
environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace.