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Socialist "services" steals baby!
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Melissa
2003-08-09 02:59:12 UTC
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Agency seizure of baby still a sad mystery
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E115%7E1553832,00.html

Agency seizure of baby still a sad mystery

By Diane Carman, Denver Post Columnist

Victoria Goodluck sat in the sweltering living room of her Westminster
home Monday afternoon, her breasts throbbing under the weight of so much
milk. Her baby girl, born early Friday morning, was in protective custody.

Her five other children weren't.

The kids peeked out the window and played quietly as an Adams County
social worker interviewed the parents and inspected the house and the
family environment.

In the front yard, a gathering of supporters from a church waited to
testify. They were alternately outraged and bewildered by what had
happened.

It remains a mystery.

The Rev. Heidi McGinness of North Presbyterian Church insists that
social workers at Denver Health Medical Center mistakenly assumed
Goodluck and her husband, Phillip Gates, were homeless. Then, when they
questioned Goodluck, they misinterpreted her natural shyness for
animosity, secretiveness or even mental instability.

Hospital officials contacted the Denver Department of Human Services
about their concerns for the child's safety on Saturday. On Sunday
morning, 2-day-old Sunshine Gates was whisked away.

Or, as McGinness describes it, "They stole our baby."

Sue Cobb, Human Services spokeswoman, said she could not comment on the
case. Instead, she talked about policy, parsing her words carefully.

"When we get a referral, we are obligated to follow up on it," she said.
"We rely heavily on family cooperation, on the family providing
information. And we make every effort to keep a family together."

Bobbi Barrow, spokeswoman for Denver Health, reiterated the message.
"The Colorado Children's Code requires all care providers to report any
situation where the welfare of the child is a concern. We rely on the
cooperation of the family to provide information to resolve our concerns."

Cooperation obviously was a problem.

Goodluck, a Navajo, said there also may have been a cultural issue.

She said she was "upset" by the inquiry. "The social worker kept asking
for all this information. She would ask me all these questions when we
were alone, then stop when someone else walked in the room. If I didn't
tell her what she wanted, she threatened me. She said, 'I'm going to take
your kid away.'

"She said the doctors were concerned about my homelessness, but my
friend took pictures of our house and brought them in. It's so stupid. I
gave her all the information. I don't know what she was looking for."

Gates, a Lakota, said he is "pretty sure this had to do with outdated
medical records," possibly going back to a time when the family was
homeless.

Goodluck said she told hospital admissions personnel her address, "but
while I was there, people kept coming up to me and asking if this is
right."

She didn't understand it.

The family had lived in a Denver-area homeless shelter for about six
months in 1999 and later in a basement apartment provided by a member of
the church where Phillip Gates has become an ordained elder.

It's just one chapter in the family's struggles.

Gates, who was a tribal policeman, said he was shot while working on a
joint investigation with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration when he
was 22. He was permanently disabled and, because of the sensitive nature
of the work, he had to flee the reservation. That was 23 years ago.

Goodluck, meanwhile, has worked at a variety of jobs, most recently as a
cashier at Kmart.

Over the years, they have lived with Gates' father, Goodluck's mother and
various friends. Their current home is a tidy Section 8 house with a
dreamcatcher and a collection of Native American artworks and Christian
religious figures displayed on the walls.

In addition to disability payments, they survive on food stamps and
assistance from the church, Gates said. Over the years, they have
received medical care at Denver Health, which used be called Denver
General Hospital, because it provided treatment for indigents who live in
Denver.

Gates said he took his wife there last week even though they live in
Adams County. "We've gone there in the past. Because of our economic
level, there's no other place that we can go," he said.

"They seemed to know Victoria. She's had five kids at Denver General, and
this is the first time this has happened."

Gates and attorney Ted Peak, representing the family for free, said
Human Services didn't give an explanation for taking the baby. A form that
Gates was asked to sign did not include a reason. "It did include the
family's correct address, however," said Peak, noting the irony.

After an initial investigation, Sunshine was released to her parents
Monday night.

"We're a family again," said Goodluck.

A happy ending, said McGinness.

We can only hope.
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Patrick Cook
2003-08-09 08:35:05 UTC
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Post by Melissa
Agency seizure of baby still a sad mystery
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E115%7E1553832,00.html
Agency seizure of baby still a sad mystery
By Diane Carman, Denver Post Columnist
Victoria Goodluck sat in the sweltering living room of her Westminster
home Monday afternoon, her breasts throbbing under the weight of so much
milk. Her baby girl, born early Friday morning, was in protective custody.
Her five other children weren't.
The kids peeked out the window and played quietly as an Adams County
social worker interviewed the parents and inspected the house and the
family environment.
[snip....]

And to think we have a President in office who ENCOURAGES people to get off
welfare and become productive members of society. Yet, he's ALSO quick to
BURY HIS HEAD IN THE FREAKIN' SAND of the Middle Eastern deserts while
trying to convince us Americans that he *ACTUALLY* "cares" about us and OUR
concerns and issues (e.g. Health Care and THE ECONOMY)..

Uhh...Huh....YEAH RIGHT!!! (sarcastic tone)

While this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Bush DIRECTLY, it DOES affect
him INDIRECTLY as HE is THE CATALYST for the government BEING IN THIS MESS
IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Gore WILL win in '04. COUNT ON IT.

Cheers for now :-)

Patrick Cook
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Denver, Colorado


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Kingfish
2003-08-09 15:38:54 UTC
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Post by Patrick Cook
[snip....]
And to think we have a President in office who ENCOURAGES people to get off
welfare and become productive members of society. Yet, he's ALSO quick to
BURY HIS HEAD IN THE FREAKIN' SAND of the Middle Eastern deserts while
trying to convince us Americans that he *ACTUALLY* "cares" about us and OUR
concerns and issues (e.g. Health Care and THE ECONOMY)..
you don't want socialized medicine, believe me.
Post by Patrick Cook
Uhh...Huh....YEAH RIGHT!!! (sarcastic tone)
While this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Bush DIRECTLY, it DOES affect
him INDIRECTLY as HE is THE CATALYST for the government BEING IN THIS MESS
IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I guarantee you that 95% of those social services workers/management are
democrats.
Post by Patrick Cook
Gore WILL win in '04. COUNT ON IT.
LOL. not a chance.
Post by Patrick Cook
Cheers for now :-)
Patrick Cook
Denver, Colorado
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Phil Earnhardt
2003-08-10 01:01:25 UTC
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But one thing IS for sure. The indians were here LONG before Christopher
Columbus came along. So, when you think about it.....WE INVADED THE
INDIANS!!!!
Talk about THE MOTHER of all "occupying forces". We should looking at
OURSELVES in the mirror. NOT the other way around.
We certainly did "invade" here.

OTOH, your second claim is in some doubt.

IIRC, scientists investigating the historical records (e.g.,
palentology, genetics, etc.) in the Americas came to an interesting
conslusion: the first aboriginals to cross the Bering Strait from Asia
were apparently *wiped out* by the later aboriginals to make that
crossing. In other words, the original "invaders" -- the mother of all
invaders in our hemisphere -- seems to be the Indians themselves.

Needless to say, this theory was most definitely not politically
correct.

--phil

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