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Pete Coors Talks Sense On Guns
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m***@yahoo.com
2004-09-16 21:52:03 UTC
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Pete Coors Talks Sense On Guns

By Ari Armstrong
September 15, 2004

The Rocky Mountain News published a hysterical, biased story September 4
about Pete Coors -- the Republican candidate for U.S. Senate -- and his
position on the right of self-defense.

The story, by Gwen Florio, discusses several federal anti-gun laws. The
only one now "in play" is the ban on the production and importation of
arbitrarily selected semi-automatic guns and regular-capacity magazines.
This so-called "assault weapons ban," set to expire September 13,
targets guns that are functionally identical to other semi-automatics.

These tools are useful for self-defense, and the law has had no impact
on crime. Economist John Lott points to a study funded by the Justice
Department during Bill Clinton's administration that found the law's
"impact on gun violence has been uncertain." In a second study, Lott
looked at the national law and similar state laws and found that, "after
accounting for law enforcement, demographics, poverty and other factors
that affect crime, the laws did not reduce any type of violent crime."
(Lott did find a small though not statistically significant increase in
the crime rate associated with the law.)

The reason Coors addressed the matter of other federal gun laws is that
Steve Gresh asked Coors and his then-opponent Bob Schaffer some
questions on May 13 when the candidates spoke to the Pikes Peak Firearms
Coalition.

Gresh asked the candidates which federal laws they would vote to repeal:
"A. the National Firearms Act of 1934, B. the Gun Control Act of 1968,
C. Brady background checks, D. the assault weapons ban, or simply E. all
of the above." Coors replied "all of the above." You see, Coors hadn't
learned how to speak politician.

Schaffer had been so trained. Coors's entire answer was 20 words, while
Schaffer's answer was 467 words -- even though Schaffer didn't actually
say anything related to the question. What he did say, though, was
prescient: "There are people here in the media and others who are just
dying to misrepresent a pro-Second Amendment candidate for office."

Pete, welcome to politics!

Not surprisingly, Florio found that James Brady, whose wife Sarah is the
original namesake of the "Brady law", doesn't much like the idea of
repealing that law. Florio notes that, according to Brady, the Brady law
disarms criminals. But Brady's claim is false.

Even an article in the generally anti-gun Journal of the American
Medical Association, in which Jens Ludwig and Philip J. Cook look at
homicide rates, admits the Brady law failed to reduce homicides. Lott
also conducted a study that found the Brady law has failed to cut crime.
Lott found the Brady law is associated with an increase in rape,
possibly because the law has made it harder for some law-abiding
citizens to purchase tools for self-defense.

Florio also claims Coors wants to repeal a federal law that "outlaws
machine guns." There's just one tiny problem with Florio's account: no
such law exists. Several of my friends legally own fully automatic
rifles. Buying one requires paying a $200 tax and passing an extensive
background check.

Florio neglects two important matters of context. First, it's quite
possible that Coors wants to remove the mentioned laws and replace them
with new laws that incorporate some elements of the old. That seems to
be the track Coors is taking. Second, perhaps Coors believes gun policy
is properly left to the states, not the federal government.

Many of us believe the laws in question are generally unjust, ambiguous
and thus arbitrarily enforced, and counterproductive.

Brady told Florio -- who dutifully quoted the vicious attacks -- that
Coors "must be dipping into" his own product, beer, or "swimming in" it.
In other words, according to the unchallenged comments, only drunk
people could possibly believe the Bill of Rights offers robust
protection for the right of self-defense. Brady also said Coors "ought
to have his head examined" for suggesting a demonstrably ineffective law
should be repealed. So Coors may be insane, according to a
special-interest leader.

We deserve far better than the one-sided personal attack that Florio
offered.


Ari Armstrong edits the Colorado Freedom Report at www.FreeColorado.com.
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-19 17:23:47 UTC
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Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
AH#49
2004-09-19 17:29:22 UTC
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Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
What's yer point?
Anybody that drinks that carbonated mule piss deserves to die.
Paul Tiger
2004-09-19 21:21:11 UTC
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Post by AH#49
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
What's yer point?
Anybody that drinks that carbonated mule piss deserves to die.
Curs = Hemlock
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 18:11:44 UTC
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Post by Paul Tiger
Post by AH#49
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
What's yer point?
Anybody that drinks that carbonated mule piss deserves to die.
Curs = Hemlock
Nah, yer thinking of Bud...
Serious Sam
2004-09-19 18:15:23 UTC
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Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
Wish he'd sell some to you.
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-19 19:01:44 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
Wish he'd sell some to you.
Only Republikkkunts like you are stupid enough to
buy it.

What ya wanna bet the girly in Ft Colons and that Boulder
student who recently drank themselves to death were stupid
RepugliKKKunts?
AH#49
2004-09-19 19:06:06 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
Wish he'd sell some to you.
Only Republikkkunts like you are stupid enough to
buy it.
What ya wanna bet the girly in Ft Colons and that Boulder
student who recently drank themselves to death were stupid
RepugliKKKunts?
I'll take you up on it!
How do you wish to pay when you are proven wrong?

And idiots like you power puke your brains out with left over cases
of Billy Beer sold on E-Bay!
Only IDIOTS ( and democrats) consume Coors.
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-19 19:14:17 UTC
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Post by AH#49
Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
Wish he'd sell some to you.
Only Republikkkunts like you are stupid enough to
buy it.
What ya wanna bet the girly in Ft Colons and that Boulder
student who recently drank themselves to death were stupid
RepugliKKKunts?
I'll take you up on it!
Go for it.
Post by AH#49
How do you wish to pay when you are proven wrong?
We'll worry about that when you prove the impossible.

I'll send you a case of Curz Beeyah --- and 2 tickets to
Scammy's BBQ.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-19 21:58:01 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by AH#49
Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
Wish he'd sell some to you.
Only Republikkkunts like you are stupid enough to
buy it.
What ya wanna bet the girly in Ft Colons and that Boulder
student who recently drank themselves to death were stupid
RepugliKKKunts?
I'll take you up on it!
Go for it.
Post by AH#49
How do you wish to pay when you are proven wrong?
We'll worry about that when you prove the impossible.
I'll send you a case of Curz Beeyah --- and 2 tickets to
Scammy's BBQ.
I thought Spammy lived in a carboard box and pushed a shopping cart
though alleyways as he dumpster dove?
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 18:10:31 UTC
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S. O. Damocles wrote:

How's tricks on Mtn. Parks Road, you GPS whore.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-20 18:59:24 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
How's tricks on Mtn. Parks Road, you GPS whore.
What's involved in "GPS Whoring?"
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 21:21:40 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
How's tricks on Mtn. Parks Road, you GPS whore.
What's involved in "GPS Whoring?"
Ask poxie.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-20 21:32:38 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
How's tricks on Mtn. Parks Road, you GPS whore.
What's involved in "GPS Whoring?"
Ask poxie.
I'm asking you. It's your asshat term.

How fucking stupid can you possibly get? Just when I think you've said
all the stupid shit one can spout in a lifetime, you puke up more.

You're like Zell Miller with verbal diarrhea.
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 21:37:50 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
How's tricks on Mtn. Parks Road, you GPS whore.
What's involved in "GPS Whoring?"
Ask poxie.
I'm asking you.
Poxie whores out other people's GPS coordinates to try and deflect
attention from himself.

hth
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-20 21:42:18 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
How's tricks on Mtn. Parks Road, you GPS whore.
What's involved in "GPS Whoring?"
Ask poxie.
I'm asking you.
Poxie whores out other people's GPS coordinates to try and deflect
attention from himself.
hth
Sounds like something that you would do. You're probably just mad that
you didn't think of such an asshattedly lame thing on your own.
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 21:44:02 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Poxie whores out other people's GPS coordinates to try and deflect
attention from himself.
hth
Sounds like something that you would do.
Yet it is not.
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-21 19:51:54 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
How's tricks on Mtn. Parks Road, you GPS whore.
What's involved in "GPS Whoring?"
Ask poxie.
I'm asking you. It's your asshat term.
How fucking stupid can you possibly get? Just when I think
you've said all the stupid shit one can spout in a
lifetime, you puke up more.
You're like Zell Miller with verbal diarrhea.
ROTFLMAO !!!
Serious Sam
2004-09-21 20:08:57 UTC
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S. O. Damocles wrote:

Mtn. Parks Road a little snowy today poxie?
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-23 20:25:15 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Mtn. Parks Road a little snowy today poxie?
Step outside and take a look, coward.
Serious Sam
2004-09-23 20:29:45 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Mtn. Parks Road a little snowy today poxie?
Step outside and take a look
Yer late Lilith.
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-23 22:25:29 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Mtn. Parks Road a little snowy today poxie?
Step outside and take a look
Yer late Lilith.
Who's Lilith, lightpony?

Late for what, your BBQ?
Serious Sam
2004-09-24 03:00:12 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Post by S. O. Damocles
Step outside and take a look
Yer late Lilith.
Who's Lilith,
Karma Kop, Vox Dei, Vox Populi...
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-19 21:57:17 UTC
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Post by AH#49
Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
Wish he'd sell some to you.
Only Republikkkunts like you are stupid enough to
buy it.
What ya wanna bet the girly in Ft Colons and that Boulder
student who recently drank themselves to death were stupid
RepugliKKKunts?
I'll take you up on it!
How do you wish to pay when you are proven wrong?
And idiots like you power puke your brains out with left over cases
of Billy Beer sold on E-Bay!
Only IDIOTS ( and democrats) consume Coors.
Avery IPA here, boy. Proud Democrat and major beer snob.
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 18:11:45 UTC
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Orwellian Prophecy wrote:

Proud Democrat

Oxymoron.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-20 19:13:01 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Proud Democrat
Oxymoron.
No, that would be "Compassionate Conservative" or "Smart Republican."
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 21:23:11 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Proud Democrat
Oxymoron.
No
Yes.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-20 21:33:31 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Proud Democrat
Oxymoron.
No
Yes.
No, "intelligent conservative" is an oxymoron.
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 21:39:54 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Proud Democrat
Oxymoron.
No
Yes.
No,
Yes.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-20 21:43:43 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Proud Democrat
Oxymoron.
No
Yes.
No,
Yes.
No, an oxymoron is a juxtaposition of non-complementary terms, like
"Human Spamuel" Everyone knows Spamuel is a zombie douchebag.
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 23:38:17 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Proud Democrat
Oxymoron.
No
Yes.
No,
Yes.
No
Yes.
Serious Sam
2004-09-19 19:45:30 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Pete Coors sells suffering and death.
Wish he'd sell some to you.
Only Republikkkunts like you are stupid enough to
buy it.
Go chug some Drano you scum traitor.
Paul Tiger
2004-09-19 21:26:05 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
What ya wanna bet the girly in Ft Colons and that Boulder
student who recently drank themselves to death were stupid
RepugliKKKunts?
The story in the Daily Disappointment says that there was no party and no
boozing, and that they don't yet know what the cause of death was in the
Boulder case.

The Ft. Collins case is beyond my understanding. How can anyone drink that
much anyway? Two beers and I off to sleepy land.
Prohibition doesn't work, and it sure as hell doesn't work with young
people. Tell a university student that there's something that they cannot do
and guess what the first thing is that they do?

pt
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-19 22:37:08 UTC
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Post by Paul Tiger
<snip>
Post by S. O. Damocles
What ya wanna bet the girly in Ft Colons and that Boulder
student who recently drank themselves to death were stupid
RepugliKKKunts?
The story in the Daily Disappointment says that there was
no party and no boozing, and that they don't yet know what
the cause of death was in the Boulder case.
The Ft. Collins case is beyond my understanding. How can
anyone drink that much anyway? Two beers and I off to
sleepy land.
Prohibition doesn't work, and it sure as hell doesn't work
with young people. Tell a university student that there's
something that they cannot do and guess what the first
thing is that they do?
Darwinism in action. Let's give all the Republikkkunt children
all the alcohol they can guzzle. Then they can emulate their
liar, awol, drunkard in Chief. Either die a happy dunk in college,
or get drafted and die for the criminal Bu$h mob's lies overseas.
Who cares, really?
Post by Paul Tiger
pt
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 18:10:25 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
Who cares, really?
No one cares about you. Your death would only elicit celebration, you
foul traitorous scumsucker.
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-20 20:23:52 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by S. O. Damocles
Who cares, really?
No one cares about you. Your death would only elicit
celebration, you foul traitorous scumsucker.
Oh lookie here, the chickenshit coward neo-cunt
who sends other people off to die for lies and deceptions
thinks anyone on planet earth gives a flying fuck what
he thinks ---

You're exterminating your own kind, Scammy, inbred
ignorami repugnikkkunts stupid enough to beleive the criminal Bu$h Mob's
lies, so in the long run, Darwinism will run it's course.
Serious Sam
2004-09-20 21:22:56 UTC
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Post by S. O. Damocles
Post by Serious Sam
Post by S. O. Damocles
Who cares, really?
No one cares about you. Your death would only elicit
celebration, you foul traitorous scumsucker.
Oh lookie here
Yes, look and see the void where your soul should be.
c***@yahoo.com
2004-09-24 13:53:14 UTC
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"S. O. Damocles" <***@damocl.es> wrote in message news:<Nej3d.8$***@news.uswest.net>...
I'm no fan of Mr. Coors, but how exactly does he
profit from a young dead consumer? wouldn't a long
lifetime of consuming alcohol be more profitable for
Mr. Coors?

Chuck Wright
http://www.cato.org/
Serious Sam
2004-09-24 16:01:13 UTC
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Post by c***@yahoo.com
I'm no fan of Mr. Coors, but how exactly does he
profit from a young dead consumer?
We'd all profit if that dead consumer was Pox Vomitus.

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