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Commies endorse Kerry
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Grass roots
2004-10-23 22:50:46 UTC
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Communist Party USA ( CPUSA ) endorses Kerry:

From:
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/590/1/56/

"It was no surprise to me that virtually everyone I met during a recent
three-week trip across the Midwest was quick to remind me that this
election is the most important in their lifetime. While agreeing that the
overriding political task is to defeat Bush and his counterparts in
Congress and elect Kerry and a more people-friendly Congress, no one
reduced this to simply a contest between the Democratic and Republican
parties.

This election, they told me, will continue the nearly 24-year struggle
against the forces of extreme political reaction who are now entrenched in
the White House, Congress and Supreme Court - but with this difference:
Nov. 2 could well mark a turning point for better or worse.

A Bush victory would give the ultra-right a green light to ramp up their
project to drastically and unilaterally reshape the domestic and
international landscape in the interests of U.S. imperialism.

On the other hand, a victory by Kerry and the broad democratic movement
that supports him would be a body blow to the extreme right, bring some
relief on bread and butter issues, and lift the siege on our nation's
constitution.

It also would create a much more favorable political terrain on which the
people's movement could struggle for its agenda, beginning with an end to
the occupation of Iraq.

Thus the stakes are high, and what adds to the drama is that the electorate
is so divided that the outcome will depend on which campaign is able to
turn out the biggest vote.

Given these circumstances, what should be the role of left and progressive
people?

It is not to parse every word, vet every speech, and scrutinize every
statement of Kerry. Nor is it to damn Kerry with faint praise. Rather its
main task, as I see it, is to bring into sharper focus the differences in
the two lines of policy represented by Kerry and Bush, to delineate the
vastly improved political playing field that a Kerry victory would bring,
and, above all, to become involved in the grassroots efforts to mobilize
the vote.

In so doing, the left will help voters gain an understanding of the bigger
picture, extend the practical efforts to reach the electorate, and enhance
its connections to the main democratic organizations - connections which
are critical to post-election struggles.

Across the country there is a growing anti-Bush feeling, but that alone is
not enough. To win requires that millions be convinced that the differences
between Bush and Kerry are real, substantial and consequential to their
lives on the whole range of issues: Social Security, Medicare, health care,
overtime, minimum wage, public education, affirmative action, civil rights,
reproductive rights, immigrant rights, gay rights, civil liberties, tax
policy, environmental protection, Cuba, preemptive war, and nuclear weapons
testing and use.

Even on Iraq, there are differences between the two. But more importantly,
the defeat of Bush would be a repudiation of his policies of war and
occupation, and that could not be ignored by a Kerry administration.

Thus, the remark heard in some left circles, "I will vote for Kerry but
hold my nose," misses the point and is demobilizing. It may bring some
momentary self-satisfaction to those expressing it. But it will do little
to convince swing, undecided, or stay-at-home voters to go to the polls.

In my experience, aside from right wing talk show hosts and their loyal
listeners, few people believe that Kerry is a candidate of the left and
progressive movement. Most know that he is closely tied to the U.S. ruling
class and a defender of capitalism, as is Bush.

That common class affiliation and fondness for the "free enterprise"
system, however, doesn't prevent millions of voters from understanding that
Kerry is a political centrist and espouses different policies than Bush.

Nor does it keep them from realizing that a Kerry victory would give the
broader movements more political leverage than they now have.

The biggest danger in this election is not that people have unrealistic
expectations of a Kerry administration, but rather that a substantial
section of voters still believe that it doesn't make much of a difference
who they vote for on Nov. 2. The responsibility of left and progressive
people is not to spend their time bellyaching over Kerry's shortcomings,
but to convince millions of people that there is a choice and that the
outcome of this election will have enormous consequences for our nation's
future.

Sam Webb can be reached at vote2004 @ cpusa.org"


And the Democratic Socialists of America endorse Kerry:

http://www.dsausa.org/LatestNews/election04c.html

"Socialists Urge Support for Kerry
July 23, 2004

The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee (DSAPAC)
released a statement today urging its members to work for the election of
John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.

"Kerry was hardly the first choice of our members. Most supported Dennis
Kucinich or Howard Dean in the Democratic primary elections and would be
very critical of Senator Kerry's voting record on trade issues, as well as
his support for the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq; but
the most important concern of our members now is to defeat Bush," said
Frank Llewellyn, the National Director of Democratic Socialists of America
(DSA).

The DSAPAC statement was very critical of the current direction of the
Democratic Party, lamenting the strength of the Democratic Leadership
Council as compared to the Congressional Progressive Caucus in Party
circles. But the statement condemned the much greater threat to the
interests of the average American posed by Republican control of all three
branches of government.

The statement urged DSA members to participate in get-out-the-vote and
voter education projects with other progressive organizations. "It is very
important that progressive movements keep organizing and mobilizing so that
we will be in a position to make demands on a new administration,"
Llewellyn continued.

The Democratic Socialists of America is the largest socialist organization
in the United States, with 5500 members and local organizations in most
large cities. It is affiliated to the Socialist International, a federation
of the world's socialist, social democratic and labor parties.

The complete text of the DSAPAC statement can be viewed at:
http://dsausa.org/dsapac ."
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Lou P. Garrew
2004-10-24 09:11:05 UTC
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Communist Putin Endorses Bush
Says it all, and it's a lot more relevant than what the three
remaining whacjoes in the CPUSA say.

Lou P. Garrew, at your service!
John Thompson
2004-10-24 15:58:44 UTC
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Post by Grass roots
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/590/1/56/
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...

And "Axis of Evil" member Iran endorses Bush:

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-iran-us-elections,0,1518243,print.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

So what's your point?
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-John (***@os2.dhs.org)
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-24 16:26:06 UTC
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John Thompson wrote:

< and tried to bury the follow ups in only HIS group...>
Post by John Thompson
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Post by Grass roots
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/590/1/56/
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?

They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!

They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!

Sheesh!
Well now, Skerry Monster HAS picked up some stellar endorsements now
hasn't he?

http://www.tehrantimes.com/archives/Description.asp?Da=2/8/2004&Cat=2&Num=026

We are convinced that John Kerry is the candidate best qualified to meet
this challenge. Senator Kerry has the diplomatic skill and temperament
as well as a lifetime of accomplishments in field of international affairs.

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/anti-american_ramsey_clark_endorses_kerry.htm

One of the leading “America bashers” on the political scene today has
endorsed John Kerry for president. Speaking to reporters after a
February 27 Washington press conference to rally support for Haiti’s
Marxist President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, Ramsey Clark said he’s voting
for Kerry because he would take U.S. foreign policy in a new direction.

This is certainly the case. Kerry told the New York Daily News
editorial board that he would have intervened “unilaterally” with U.S.
troops if necessary to save Aristide’s corrupt regime from a popular
rebellion. Aristide, who developed a reputation for brutalizing and
killing his political opponents, was encouraged by the Bush
administration to leave the country.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40988

Yasser Arafat endorses Kerry
Thinks Democratic senator 'better for Palestinian cause'
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Ivan Marsh
2004-10-25 17:32:03 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.

If Kerry helps their cause by putting Americans back to work I don't think
anyone will complain.

Why don't you try looking at their web site and reading the perfectly
reasonable reasons they don't want Bush in office anymore?
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i.m.
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-25 17:49:09 UTC
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Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
roflmao!!!

yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
Ivan Marsh
2004-10-25 19:43:35 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
roflmao!!!
yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
You should learn something about communism before you poke fun at it.

There's never been a communist government on this planet.
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i.m.
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
James
2004-10-25 21:40:52 UTC
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Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
roflmao!!!
yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
You should learn something about communism before you poke fun at it.
There's never been a communist government on this planet.
That is the standard excuse given by the apologists for the failure of
communism. I think that there must be a manual somebody distributes to the
true believers such as Ivan so that they can be certain to adhere to the
party line. They are all so consistent.

That is the essence of the problem with the theory of Communism, Ivan. In
practice, a society in which power ends up in the hands of a few elite (the
vangard, in Marx's terms) inevitably degenerates into just another despotic
government. And this particular varient of despotism is more dangerous than
most, as it is combined with a belief in the unaceptability of error.

The succcess of communism is judged by its results, not some scriblings on a
piece of paper by a long-dead crackpot.

James
Ivan Marsh
2004-10-26 20:08:58 UTC
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Post by James
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
roflmao!!!
yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
You should learn something about communism before you poke fun at it.
There's never been a communist government on this planet.
That is the standard excuse given by the apologists for the failure of
communism.
I make no apologies, I'm not a communist, nor do I want to be. I'm all for
personal gain.

But, the Soviets weren't communists, nor are the N. Koreans, etc...
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i.m.
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
James
2004-10-26 20:55:42 UTC
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Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by James
Post by Ivan Marsh
There's never been a communist government on this planet.
That is the standard excuse given by the apologists for the failure of
communism.
I make no apologies, I'm not a communist, nor do I want to be. I'm all for
personal gain.
But, the Soviets weren't communists, nor are the N. Koreans, etc...
A true communist state never existed, but we have the results of many
attempts.

A true Christian society has never existed either. Should we judge
Christianity on the promises it makes or what realities it delivers?

James
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-26 23:03:17 UTC
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Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by James
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
roflmao!!!
yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
You should learn something about communism before you poke fun at it.
There's never been a communist government on this planet.
That is the standard excuse given by the apologists for the failure of
communism.
I make no apologies, I'm not a communist,
...funny you sure sound like one...
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Michael R. McAfee
2004-10-26 21:27:39 UTC
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Post by James
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
roflmao!!!
yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
You should learn something about communism before you poke fun at it.
There's never been a communist government on this planet.
That is the standard excuse given by the apologists for the failure of
communism. I think that there must be a manual somebody distributes to the
true believers such as Ivan so that they can be certain to adhere to the
party line. They are all so consistent.
You shouldn't be surprised. The Truth has a habit of being consistent.
Post by James
That is the essence of the problem with the theory of Communism, Ivan. In
practice, a society in which power ends up in the hands of a few elite (the
vangard, in Marx's terms) inevitably degenerates into just another despotic
government. And this particular varient of despotism is more dangerous than
most, as it is combined with a belief in the unaceptability of error.
Ah, there is your error. You describe a form of government that is the
transitional predecessor to communism. You really should understand the
term, James.
Post by James
The succcess of communism is judged by its results, not some scriblings on a
piece of paper by a long-dead crackpot.
James
I agree with you. The problem is that so far a communism is concerned,
it has never been fully implemented by a national government before. The
past attempts (if indeed they were ever intended to be serious attempts
to achieve a truly communist plane) always got stuck in fascist
totalitarianism.
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Mesa, AZ
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Uncle Samuel
2004-10-26 21:45:26 UTC
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Post by Michael R. McAfee
The problem is that so far a communism is concerned,
it has never been fully implemented by a national government before.
Aw Mikey, so sory you never got your full blown commie paradise, FUCK YOU!
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Uncle Samuel
2004-10-25 23:43:59 UTC
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Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
roflmao!!!
yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
You should learn something about communism before you poke fun at it.
Oh I'm sorry "Ivan"...snicker...whatever you say your pinkness!
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James
2004-10-25 19:30:31 UTC
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Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
Actually, the American Communist Party is a Communist party. It is the
antithesis of a labor party. Just look at their history. They were under
direct control of the anti-labor Stalinist USSR, until that finally
collapsed. Their ideology hasn't changed a bit since then. They advocate the
establishment of a communist society, where labor, like everything else
would be under state control.

That is the party that advocates the election of John Kerry.

James
GunWoman
2004-10-27 03:34:03 UTC
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Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
Communists have always claimed to be a worker's party. Whoopee!
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Uncle Samuel
2004-10-27 05:13:35 UTC
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Post by GunWoman
Post by Ivan Marsh
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by John Thompson
You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
enthusiastic endorsement...
Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
Sheesh!
Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
Communists have always claimed to be a worker's party. Whoopee!
Oh they're "labor" all right..."hard labor" that is - Gulag style labor....
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